Svolp
Hi guys!
Am writing on english so all of u can understand my question..
I have a Tanganyika tank with 8 Julidochromis marlieri..
The size of the tank is 120L, its a juwel lido if somebody have seen it befor.
I want a fish, maybe 10-20 that only are at the middle and top level of the tank.. have been searching all over but cant finde anyone that fits my demands.
PH : 8
GH : 15
KH : 4
It must be from Tanganyika ;-)
Thanks!
(ignore my bad english guys and u can respond on swed, danish or norwegian to me)
Wilhelm
It´s a very small tank, but you can try to have some cyprichromis leptosoma "utinta".
Best is to get a bigger tank! ;)
By the way, welcome to the best ciklid forum
Svolp
Thank you for the answer..
I thougt cyprichromis leptosoma "utinta" got really big and needed a big tan, like 300++ ?
Am thinking about Lacustricola pumilus, anybody that know anything about this one?
The problem is that i have seen i books that this fish is most happy when the tank is full of plants and not so sharp light?!
Got 5 anubias and some vallisnera!
Kenneth
Anders-i-Askim
Hi!
The perfect choise is Lamprichthys tanganicanus.
A very nice fish whith with good mood and beautiful colors.
Svolp
Even in a tank that isnt bigger then 120L ? was sure this fish had to have lot of space to swim in? My marlieri at the biggest will be around 10cm and Lamprichthys tanganicanus can grow up to 15cm or what?
hmmm.. lake tanganyika dont got so many small fish or what? :)
Wilhelm
Even in a tank that isnt bigger then 120L ? ...
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hmmm.. lake tanganyika dont got so many small fish or what? :)
No but you are lucky , there exist bigger tanks ;) so you can have bigger Tanganyjkas! :D
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I thougt cyprichromis leptosoma "utinta" got really big and needed a big tan, like 300++ ?
They don´t get big, only about 8 cm.
Svolp
Well.. its bigger tanks to buy out there to a fear price, but if that happend I had to buy a new apartment to and that isnt wery cheap these days :)
120L is all I can have.
Ola-Svensson
Hi
I don't think you can find a Lake Tanganyika fish small enough to keep 10-20 individuals in a 120L tank. However, you can easily have a 1+3 group of Paracyprichromis or a small Cyprichromis. If you want 10-20 individuals you have to pick a non-Tanganyika fish such as a Poecilia or a danio.
Cheers
Ola
Svolp
Hmmm...
Thats to bad.. But what about Lacustricola pumilus ?
Kenneth
Mike_Noren
Hmmm...
Thats to bad.. But what about Lacustricola pumilus ?
Yes, it should be possible to have 10 or more of those plus
Julidochromis in a 120 liter. The trick is finding them,
L. pumilus is a rare fish in the trade. A similar and more common species which would probably also work is
Poropanchax normani.
PatrikMalmo
I´m breeding L. pumilus (Burundi CI2008 ) and I also know more people that have these nice fish. They should work in your tank. Easy to keep, easy to get eggs from but a little difficult to raise the newborn. They will show off very nice, but beware of "males from Hell" - sometimes one male is a killer, and slowly decimates the lot...
If you put a piece of Hornsärv, Ceratophyllum, in the tank they will have a good time. The plant also exist in Lake Tanganyika.
I do not recommend Cyps or Lamprichtys, both need/like plenty of space. The Lido-model also have a strange shape (quite high in relation to width), so it´s not suitable for these fish.
Hilsen,
/P
Svolp
Thanks alot for good answares guys!
Think I will go for Lacustricola pumilus, then my "mini" tanganyika is completed with fish, snail and plants only from Tanganyika.. (I think ;-)
Just hope somebody can order this for me in my local fishshop, if not maybe I will try Poropanchax normani.. But since this is a killi I thougt they needed mutch softer wather and lower PH then I got. I have 8 PH, 4 KH and GH 15
I am back from work on monday morning, will try to post some pictures from the tank.
Kenneth
Mike_Noren
Poropanchax normani.. But since this is a killi I thougt they needed mutch softer wather and lower PH then I got. I have 8 PH, 4 KH and GH 15
Both
L. pumilus and
P. normani are lamp eyes, and both do just fine in hard water.
PatrikMalmo
pumilus is also a killi, and I agree with Mike - they will do fine in your water. The waterparameters can be important if you want to breed these fish sucessfully in large numbers, but I´m quite convinced you will se some youngster in your tank anyway.
Hilsen,
/Patrik
Svolp
Hi again..
I will try to get pumilus since this is located in tanganyika. If that dosent work out I will try to get normani, but am hoping that I cant get hold of pumilus so that the tank is only tanganyika species.
Kenneth
PatrikMalmo
Good thing, but I do not believe pumilus and Julidochromis ever have seen eachother in the lake. As far as I know, pumilus is not really found _in_ the lake, but in the surrounding waterways. Still, it might be the best choice as for the waterparameters. It does really well in harder water, normanni thrives in more acidic conditions, at least in my tanks. Other people might have a different opinion on this, maybe due to different populations of normanni.
There´s another species wich you might try, if you want lampeyes: Micropanchax scheeli. Gets a little bigger than normanni, wich might be better with the company of Julidochromis. normanni is the easiest species to find though, I believe.
If you are having trouble to find pumilus, I will soon make some efforts to breed them again, so in six months or so, I hope to have quite a number of these fish. You will have to visit Malmo to get them, but I would be happy to see the fish kept by a lot of aquarists. As far as I know it almost disappeared in Scandinavia a couple of years ago, when a Danish fishbreeder stopped keeping them. Me and some friends were lucky enough to find them in Germany, and we have had some success in breeding them (my friends have much better results than I have). They are sensitive to temperature in relation to sexratio, the population we have here in Scania it seems best to breed them in slightly colder water, around 22-23 C. Gives a fairly equal sexratio.
Hilsen,
/P
Svolp
Sound good PatrikMalmo..
Mutch information to learn from.. am not sure that you can find pumilus in tanganyika, this is just something I have heard. If u say its found in the surrounding waterways I belive you. Just thought this fish would fit my water demands. I want to make my tank a complete tanganyika tank with species only from this lake.
But as I said earlier my tank is only 120L so I think that 8 Julidochromis is plenty. The reason with having pumilus or some other small fish is just to have some activity at the top level of the tank since this is the only tank and its located in my livingroom. My apartment is small so I cant buy a bigger tank at this moment. (My girlfriend also hate aquaium :(
Gonna post a picture of my tank when am home from work tomorrow so u guys can see what my tank look like at this moment. Will see what fish I can get hold of and if this pumilus is to hard to get maybe I`ll take my motorcycle to do a visit, when I often visit denmark, sweden and germany on biketrips!
Kenneth
Svolp
Hi guys!
I promised some pictures of the tank.. Since its my only tank and it is located in the livingroom I chose to have som plant.. as I have been read you can find all of this plants in africa and some in tanganyika.. if all is located in the lake am not sure off..
Anyway.. Take a look!
Front
Left side
Right side
Julidochromis marlieri
5 Julidochromis marlieri
Plantlist :
- 2 Anubias Anubias barteri "nana"
- 2 Anubias barteri "coffeefolia"
- 1 Anubias barteri "angustifolia"
- 1 Bolbitis heudelotii (down at right corner)
- 2 Vallisneria spiralis "Tiger"
- Eleocharis parvula that will form a grass carpet after a while
- Pistia, because the tank is only 8weeks old!
Kenneth
NOTE: If mod can post the pictures directly in my post please do, am using direct picture link from PB but its still a click link.
Wilhelm
NOTE: If mod can post the pictures directly in my post please do, am using direct picture link from PB but its still a click link.
If you will be a member of NCS, than you can post direct into your posts! ;)
Ola-Svensson
pumilus is also a killi...
If we are really picky, then killi is not a taxonomical group. Killies bollongs to several families. Lampeyes are nowadays a subfamily in the "live bearer" family Poeciliidae (although they lay eggs) whereas ricefishes don't even bellong to the same order (it's the sister order).
http://www.fishbase.de/Summary/OrdersSummary.php?order=Cyprinodontiformes
http://www.fishbase.de/Summary/OrdersSummary.php?order=Beloniformes
